[This is Dr Shermer's rebuttal statement.] The debate between international Christian speaker Douglas Jacoby and agnostic and skeptic Michael Shermer took place Saturday June 23, the highlight of the 2007 International Apologetics Conference, sponsored by the Apologetics Research Society. The debate topic: Does God Exist? Dr. Shermer is one of the three or four most famous atheist / agnostic scholars in the world, author of 12 books and President of the Skeptic Society. He has held dozens of …
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March 22, 2009
Horaayy..there are 25 comment(s) for me so far ;)
Where do you get …
Where do you get our info from? There are many arenas of debate on this fact even amoung devote Christians. They don’t all claim to have all the answers but that was a sloppy prejudice to say everone.
First of all he has …
First of all he has no end or beginning and because of that you are requiring to put a definitive end to God, his strength, his size his abilities. He goes on to infinity. Knowing God truly not just calling yourself a Christian is a heart condition. Many of Hitlers men believed what they were doing was right.
?? Wow fire …
?? Wow fire and brimestone that is a condemning version of God Conservative Baptist? No that is not how he put it and how arrogant to believe your brain is capable of wholey understanding him?
Follow his guidance …
Follow his guidance smartypants. He is jealous because he has earned our respect n love so why turn away for our selfish self serving desires. He gives us so much time to proove even with all our knowledge we are still messing up!!!
Ok, I’ll be sure to …
Ok, I’ll be sure to start stoning disobedient children, sabbath breakers, adulterous women and homosexuals. I will kill witches, destroy any art depicting anything other than abstract shapes. Gods law endureth forever, no? Even Jesus says not one jot or tiddle of the law should pass away. Where are my rocks, ive got some stoning to do.
=) That,my friend, …
=) That,my friend, is for you to find out. But, to guide you: God is spirit.Dont think “humanistically” all the time. You must think spiritually and even abstractly. Followg God means knowg Him, obeying Him bc you know He loves you! I think your other questions are best discussed in another venue (500 chrctrs max. here) I’ll msg u my email… Btw, excellent questions! Always qustn but, find the answr, THAT IS what God wants! (Acts 17.10 Luke 8.15))
“It’s like saying …
“It’s like saying not collecting stamps is a hobby.”
haha, brilliant
God did not create …
God did not create himself… Therefore he is a natural creation just like all the rest of us.
We’ll thats according to the Christian creator/designer argument, unless of course god just popped himself into existence!
Shermer clearly …
Shermer clearly wins this debate hands down. Jacobys arguments my sound intelligent but deep down its so ing stupid! Jacoby is a complete moron. In debates between atheist and theist, the Atheist ALWAYS winsALWAYS!!! Why? Simple. Evidence. Logic. and Common Sense. Something that theists DONT have.
Yeah, Atheism…
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Yeah, Atheism…
It’s like saying not collecting stamps is a hobby.
Yeah he speaks …
Yeah he speaks pretty good, in interviews and audiobooks he’s easy to listen to. I don’t think he’s good at thinking on his feet, or thinking on his feet and putting his thoughts into words. But you can tell he’s genuine. Jocoby on the other hand, seems like a televangelist and dodges questions.
We’re all agnostics …
We’re all agnostics, all atheists. To absolutely state that there IS no deiety puts you in the same equal opposite position as the theists. But based on philosophy and probability, one can come to a conclusion that there is no god at all. On suspicion though, not knowledge, thus being agnostic.
I am loving this guy
I am loving this guy
Atheism/Theism has …
Atheism/Theism has to do with belief. The term Agnosticism has to do with knowledge, so they are not mutually exclusive.
Michael Shermer is a Agnostic atheist. So, by not believing in a god he is a atheist by definition, regardless of being an agnostic or not.
Dude, he has …
Dude, he has ing Asperger’s.
I wouldn’t say a …
I wouldn’t say a horrible speaker but i would say bad debater.
oops…I …
oops…I accidentally voted you down while attempting to vote you up. My apologies.
are 7 and 8 out of …
are 7 and 8 out of order?
its ok to say …
its ok to say nobody knows..
This is a VERY …
This is a VERY interesting debate, but I think (and with due respect) Mr. Jacoby missed the fact that Mr. Shermer is not an atheist. Rather, he’s an Agnostic (lol @ “Militant” agnostic btw).
Jacoby says that Atheism is self defeating because in order to know with certainty that there is no god you would have to be like god anyway (omniscient at least).
But isn’t it also true that hard agnosticism is self defeating because basically you’re saying “I know that you can’t know.”
Shermer is really …
Shermer is really smart, but a horrible speaker.
So someone who …
So someone who creates every single atom in the universe, or maybe in the Multiverse, who is infinite, who has no beginning or end…that fellow cares enough about humanity to tell them how to trim their beards. God must be some kind of ego maniacal metro sexual.
Apparently my brain …
Apparently my brain is not made to even believe in “him” (God has a penis, you know) let alone understand him. I don’t believe “naughty thoughts” are sinful. I don’t believe boiling a lamb in it’s mothers milk is sinful. I don’t believe eating pigs is sinful. I follow my own guidance and I do just fine.
Sorry. Everyone = …
Sorry. Everyone = Every Christian apologist I’ve ever heard of. Lee Strobel, William Lane Craig, Dinesh D’Souza, Frank Tipler and on and on. Chill out.
Following god where …
Following god where? Isn’t god everywhere? You might ask yourself why is god so jealous? Why is god so afraid of humans gaining knowledge? Why does god wait 13.7 billion years to create mankind THEN 2000 years ago create a “savior”? Why does god require a sacrifice of himself, to himself, to save a creation he made from breaking rules he made impossible to follow?