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December 14, 2008I recently went to a Church service with my father. One of the speakers began talking about evidence of design in the universe as proof of the Christian God in a pseudo-philosophical way.
Of course, most of the audience were content with this "proof" for the existance of their God, but I was not.
To me, evidence of design in the universe would logically lead onto some form of deism, as there are imperfections and suffering caused by natural disasters. There seems to be no clear cut reason why any design exhibited within the universe would point to the existence of the Christian God.
So I would like to ask, How would evidence of design point toward the Chrsitian God? Is there another part to the design argument that specifically targets the Christian God as the creator?
Thanks for your answers in advance :0)
Please note that this is not meant to offend Christians or their religion in any way – your personal beliefs are nothing to do with me. I am simply asking a question. Thanks.
You are absolutely correct !!
(oooh…a Christian said that??)
this is what first started to pull me from the "dark" as an atheist and into the Light.
You are right. The evidence of design only tells me there was a Creator. Not who He is or what He wants.
So…my next question for myself…would this Creator want me to know Him?
If I said "No", then I would have to determine Him to be uncaring, and no amount of exploring would discover Him.
However, if He does want me to know, He can either make it painfully obvious, or have me look for Him. And since it is not painfully obvious, where would I even know where to look?
So, next premise…If the Creator wants me know, but will not make it painfully obvious, how would I know where to look?
Well, since He wants me to "find" Him, and I would not know where to look…He would have to tell me.
Does this automatically mean the Bible is correct? No…what it means is the Creator would find a way to tell me, you , and all of us. Which is now why I have to explore the teachings of the different religions.
And that my friend…was a journey in itself. But if you want to know more, email me…I can tell you how I went from atheist to being unsure, to how I explored Buddha, Hindu, Islam, Judaism, Christianity.
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Well, there isn't any evidence of design.
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Why would God create the world merely to abandon it?
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You are absolutely correct !!
(oooh…a Christian said that??)
this is what first started to pull me from the "dark" as an atheist and into the Light.
You are right. The evidence of design only tells me there was a Creator. Not who He is or what He wants.
So…my next question for myself…would this Creator want me to know Him?
If I said "No", then I would have to determine Him to be uncaring, and no amount of exploring would discover Him.
However, if He does want me to know, He can either make it painfully obvious, or have me look for Him. And since it is not painfully obvious, where would I even know where to look?
So, next premise…If the Creator wants me know, but will not make it painfully obvious, how would I know where to look?
Well, since He wants me to "find" Him, and I would not know where to look…He would have to tell me.
Does this automatically mean the Bible is correct? No…what it means is the Creator would find a way to tell me, you , and all of us. Which is now why I have to explore the teachings of the different religions.
And that my friend…was a journey in itself. But if you want to know more, email me…I can tell you how I went from atheist to being unsure, to how I explored Buddha, Hindu, Islam, Judaism, Christianity.
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You are exactly right here. The argument from design simply brings one to the conclusion that there is a Creator. However, if we begin to explore the claims of the historical person of Jesus and the testimony of other concerning him, we start to get a picture of the Christian God. Design alone does not point to God as given to us in Scripture, but it does give us a place to start.
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All I can tell you is that the God Yahweh is the only God out of all the gods that left behind written proof of His advanced knowledge of fields of science in microbiology that can only be learned through the microscope 3500 years before mankind invented the microscope.Since no human on the planet could have known microbiology to write these instructions3500 years ago then where and Who's knowledge was it?
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The actual words of the God Yahweh we call "The Laws of Moses" found in it's entirety only in The Torah, Bible and The Dead Sea Scrolls.
The fact that there is obviously design to the universe does, indeed, point to a Designer (or possibly, Designers).
But that doesn't mean, necessarily, that the Designer is the Christian God we know.
Like the Gunslinger, I, too, went on a spiritual quest. And he is absolutely right…that was a journey in itself.
To make a really l-o-o-o-o-n-g story short:
Ever since there have been people developed enough to worship, there has been religion.
The basic tales every religion tells, of creation, of good and evil, of the fall of man, of angels and devils, and of a dying and ever-living savior are SOOOO similar, there has to have been a "common ancestor" (don't you LOVE it?)
In all of these other religions, we see mankind reaching out to a God he INSTINCTIVELY knows is there.
In Christ, we see God reaching down to mankind.
It really is that simple.
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